Comments on: The Scruggs Cases, one year anniversary: Alyssa Schnugg’s take http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/ Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:40:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: BlackBear http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49845 BlackBear Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:42:18 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49845 3ds @ 10 I agree : Ministers usually offer their "groveling" not just bc the offenders are their benefactors but because the man or woman is a member of their "flock." In this, the minister can attest for the good qualities of a person for it is their duty to understand both the sin and the grace of their parishioners; and if not attesting for that individual, they are in a profession that can offer some expert understanding as to the ways of Man. A university president, on the other hand, has no such call or expertise. The president is offering his grovelling for a benefactor in hopes of future reward. If in fact he was doing it as a friend of the person, well then by all means do so, just do not present yourself as representing a University that is comprised of thousands of individuals who do not agree with you. That does nothing but undercuts your suggesting as coming before the court as a friend, in my opinion it eradicates it. 3ds @ 10 I agree : Ministers usually offer their “groveling” not just bc the offenders are their benefactors but because the man or woman is a member of their “flock.” In this, the minister can attest for the good qualities of a person for it is their duty to understand both the sin and the grace of their parishioners; and if not attesting for that individual, they are in a profession that can offer some expert understanding as to the ways of Man.

A university president, on the other hand, has no such call or expertise. The president is offering his grovelling for a benefactor in hopes of future reward. If in fact he was doing it as a friend of the person, well then by all means do so, just do not present yourself as representing a University that is comprised of thousands of individuals who do not agree with you. That does nothing but undercuts your suggesting as coming before the court as a friend, in my opinion it eradicates it.

]]> By: volitala http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49843 volitala Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:19:44 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49843 Third South at 10--hear hear Third South at 10–hear hear

]]> By: confounded http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49824 confounded Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:19:32 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49824 ben @ 3: yes. ben @ 3: yes.

]]> By: ThirdSouth http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49795 ThirdSouth Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:12:37 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49795 It's sad when ministers or college presidents admit publicly that their benefactors are capable of making them grovel in public -- and do so against the supposed high moral ground they stake out 364 days of the year. It’s sad when ministers or college presidents admit publicly that their benefactors are capable of making them grovel in public — and do so against the supposed high moral ground they stake out 364 days of the year.

]]> By: lotus http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49789 lotus Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:35:36 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49789 Ben, not sure how long you've been reading here but I kinda think maybe you weren't yet when this first came up, so you probably won't recall my reference. Read <a href="http://www.folo.us/2008/03/15/attn-ole-miss-law-school/" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://www.folo.us/2008/04/01/it-depends-on-what-the-felony-is-law-school-ethics-and-money/" rel="nofollow">this</a> (or just put "Khayat" in our Search box) for insights. Ben, not sure how long you’ve been reading here but I kinda think maybe you weren’t yet when this first came up, so you probably won’t recall my reference. Read this and this (or just put “Khayat” in our Search box) for insights.

]]> By: BlackBear http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49778 BlackBear Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:13:07 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49778 There is no way to equivocate a university chancellor with a minister in this instance, just no reasonable way. There is no way to equivocate a university chancellor with a minister in this instance, just no reasonable way.

]]> By: Ben Cole http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49769 Ben Cole Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:49:11 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49769 Lotus: Most sentencings I have attended or participated in involved one or more ministers stepping up to speak on behalf of the defendant. Do they thereby cast their robes, their altars, their calls, their congregations, their churches, their denominations in bad light? Lotus: Most sentencings I have attended or participated in involved one or more ministers stepping up to speak on behalf of the defendant. Do they thereby cast their robes, their altars, their calls, their congregations, their churches, their denominations in bad light?

]]> By: lotus http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49745 lotus Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:59:59 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49745 Umhmm, I sort of have that impression too, BlackBear. Umhmm, I sort of have that impression too, BlackBear.

]]> By: BlackBear http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49742 BlackBear Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:46:18 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49742 lotus, I think you & Wilkie would disagree over a mighty number of things when it comes to the Scruggs saga. Think Faustian v. David/Goliath. lotus, I think you & Wilkie would disagree over a mighty number of things when it comes to the Scruggs saga. Think Faustian v. David/Goliath.

]]> By: lotus http://www.folo.us/2008/12/01/the-scruggs-cases-one-year-anniversary-alyssa-schnuggs-take/#comment-49741 lotus Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:34:02 +0000 http://www.folo.us/?p=8218#comment-49741 Ben Cole, I'm thinking of the Chancellor and the law dean . . . <em>they</em> certainly brought ill repute to the law school over Scruggs. Ben Cole, I’m thinking of the Chancellor and the law dean . . . they certainly brought ill repute to the law school over Scruggs.

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