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	<title>Comments on: Paul Quinn writes about the Scruggs case</title>
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		<title>By: ThirdSouth</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/11/13/paul-quinn-writes-about-the-scruggs-case/#comment-46715</link>
		<dc:creator>ThirdSouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Lydia, it&#039;s the desire to keep one&#039;s law license, once obtained, that prevents publishing a document that should have been sealed, but wasn&#039;t.  No journalist without a law license should ever feel so constrained.  And insofar as journalistic ethics goes, &quot;juicy&quot; was never an issue I intended to raise -- wealthy publishers not allowing their low-pay reporters to cover persons or events, like not allowing them to write headlines, was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Lydia, it&#8217;s the desire to keep one&#8217;s law license, once obtained, that prevents publishing a document that should have been sealed, but wasn&#8217;t.  No journalist without a law license should ever feel so constrained.  And insofar as journalistic ethics goes, &#8220;juicy&#8221; was never an issue I intended to raise &#8212; wealthy publishers not allowing their low-pay reporters to cover persons or events, like not allowing them to write headlines, was.</p>
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		<title>By: Lydialaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lydialaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose the same could be said about any job,ThirdSouth. But just because you have a degree or a license to do something, doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re very good at it. What do you call a doctor who graduated at the bottom of his class?....Doctor. 

There may not be an ethics code &quot;written down&quot; somewhere for journalists, doesn&#039;t mean individual journalists can&#039;t have their own &quot;ethics codes.&quot;

Which means those journalist won&#039;t run rumors, or random comments from non-named sources. They won&#039;t slaughter a person&#039;s career based on the fact their name is well known and was mentioned in a investigation without some serious facts to back it up. They won&#039;t run the names of victims, no matter how &quot;juicy&quot; the story behind the name may be. They rely on facts and do their darndest to remain unbiased.

Just as lawyers, doctors, etc. have &quot;specialties&quot; so do journalists. Some, very few these days, are investigative reporters who have 3 months to work on one story. 

Others, have an hour to write 2 or 3 before deadline to fill the paper on a daily basis, all the while, trying to make sure they are correct and as informative as possible. 

That doesn&#039;t make that reporter less gutsy - they are doing their job. They are doing what is expected of them by their employer (who pays their wage) and faulting them for doing less, would be like criticising a civil attorney for not taking on a criminal case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose the same could be said about any job,ThirdSouth. But just because you have a degree or a license to do something, doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re very good at it. What do you call a doctor who graduated at the bottom of his class?&#8230;.Doctor. </p>
<p>There may not be an ethics code &#8220;written down&#8221; somewhere for journalists, doesn&#8217;t mean individual journalists can&#8217;t have their own &#8220;ethics codes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which means those journalist won&#8217;t run rumors, or random comments from non-named sources. They won&#8217;t slaughter a person&#8217;s career based on the fact their name is well known and was mentioned in a investigation without some serious facts to back it up. They won&#8217;t run the names of victims, no matter how &#8220;juicy&#8221; the story behind the name may be. They rely on facts and do their darndest to remain unbiased.</p>
<p>Just as lawyers, doctors, etc. have &#8220;specialties&#8221; so do journalists. Some, very few these days, are investigative reporters who have 3 months to work on one story. </p>
<p>Others, have an hour to write 2 or 3 before deadline to fill the paper on a daily basis, all the while, trying to make sure they are correct and as informative as possible. </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make that reporter less gutsy &#8211; they are doing their job. They are doing what is expected of them by their employer (who pays their wage) and faulting them for doing less, would be like criticising a civil attorney for not taking on a criminal case.</p>
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		<title>By: NMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFOTL, part of what you describe in your first para is the difference between a national political story and other types of stories.  Business or local stories (this is a bit of each) are not really pursued with big recources.  But also-- those stories were easy compared to this one.

2nd para:  I have a slightly less jaundiced view of what Merkel was up to than you do.  Part of it is that in a large sense the things I&#039;m wondering about are secondary to what Merkel was chasing.  Unless the criminal trial goes all the way back (I have reasons to doubt it will), I think what Merkel did will be the most we&#039;ll ever know about mcuh of that.  Next time I go through those transcripts I&#039;ll think about loose ends not pursued rather than just trying to figure out what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFOTL, part of what you describe in your first para is the difference between a national political story and other types of stories.  Business or local stories (this is a bit of each) are not really pursued with big recources.  But also&#8211; those stories were easy compared to this one.</p>
<p>2nd para:  I have a slightly less jaundiced view of what Merkel was up to than you do.  Part of it is that in a large sense the things I&#8217;m wondering about are secondary to what Merkel was chasing.  Unless the criminal trial goes all the way back (I have reasons to doubt it will), I think what Merkel did will be the most we&#8217;ll ever know about mcuh of that.  Next time I go through those transcripts I&#8217;ll think about loose ends not pursued rather than just trying to figure out what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: a friend of the law</title>
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		<dc:creator>a friend of the law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NMC, if just a handful would descend upon these topics with the same gusto with which they invaded Alaska in search of Sarah Palin dirt, or the same enthusiasm to destroy John Edwards in that soap opera like mini-drama,  there would be some folks out there sweating bullets. I don&#039;t think its just a lack of money. Its at least in part due to a lack of priorities when the wrong ox is to be gored. 

And speaking of Merkle and PL, from my reading of those old transcripts from the depositions of PL and Scruggs ( re PL), the questions posed and leads not followed when they were under oath was a bit disappointing to me from such an experienced attorney. I recall thinking: &quot; is that it? you&#039;re gonna let them get away with those lame ass vague answers without further challenge or digging&quot;??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NMC, if just a handful would descend upon these topics with the same gusto with which they invaded Alaska in search of Sarah Palin dirt, or the same enthusiasm to destroy John Edwards in that soap opera like mini-drama,  there would be some folks out there sweating bullets. I don&#8217;t think its just a lack of money. Its at least in part due to a lack of priorities when the wrong ox is to be gored. </p>
<p>And speaking of Merkle and PL, from my reading of those old transcripts from the depositions of PL and Scruggs ( re PL), the questions posed and leads not followed when they were under oath was a bit disappointing to me from such an experienced attorney. I recall thinking: &#8221; is that it? you&#8217;re gonna let them get away with those lame ass vague answers without further challenge or digging&#8221;??</p>
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		<title>By: dmwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have high hopes nmc. We shall see. 

On another point, I&#039;ve been pondering all day what people mentioned in the motion or thinking tonight. Now that would be a good interview.

Editors note on last post: All papers are hurting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have high hopes nmc. We shall see. </p>
<p>On another point, I&#8217;ve been pondering all day what people mentioned in the motion or thinking tonight. Now that would be a good interview.</p>
<p>Editors note on last post: All papers are hurting.</p>
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		<title>By: NMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m buying your first two sentences but not your last sentence dmwriter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m buying your first two sentences but not your last sentence dmwriter.</p>
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		<title>By: dmwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second nmc&#039;s post. There isn&#039;t a paper hurting right now. Ad sales are down and it cost nearly twice as much as it used to to print. But I do think Wilkie&#039;s book will shed a differnt light not yet published. We just have to wait a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second nmc&#8217;s post. There isn&#8217;t a paper hurting right now. Ad sales are down and it cost nearly twice as much as it used to to print. But I do think Wilkie&#8217;s book will shed a differnt light not yet published. We just have to wait a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: NMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFOTL wrote:  &quot;why there has been no investigative reporting by any gutsy journalists&quot;.

The media outlets in MS are barely able to afford keeping up with daily news.  If there are any reporters whose job is long term investigative reporting of the deep long term sort, I don&#039;t know them.  I really think the problem is lack of $s to do the work, and nothing more.  Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFOTL wrote:  &#8220;why there has been no investigative reporting by any gutsy journalists&#8221;.</p>
<p>The media outlets in MS are barely able to afford keeping up with daily news.  If there are any reporters whose job is long term investigative reporting of the deep long term sort, I don&#8217;t know them.  I really think the problem is lack of $s to do the work, and nothing more.  Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: NMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3rddsouth:

I think P.L. Blake and Trent Lott are different problems.

P.L. Blake is a story that is invisible to any public record.  It&#039;s the kind of story a reporter is least able to cover.  Charlie Merkel, an agressive lawyer with access to subpoenas, who was chasing Scruggs like Ahab and the whale, never really got to the bottom of P.L. Blake.

Lott-- there may have been some similarities in that some of the story was &quot;off stage&quot; without public sources.  And an asst US Atty effectively vouched for him, saying he was only a witness (I&#039;ve never bought that).  

The bottom line may be the same about both.  Calvin Trillin noted that one of the sources of reporter&#039;s facinations with trials is that witnesses don&#039;t get to say &quot;no comment.&quot;  The subpoena power is kindred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3rddsouth:</p>
<p>I think P.L. Blake and Trent Lott are different problems.</p>
<p>P.L. Blake is a story that is invisible to any public record.  It&#8217;s the kind of story a reporter is least able to cover.  Charlie Merkel, an agressive lawyer with access to subpoenas, who was chasing Scruggs like Ahab and the whale, never really got to the bottom of P.L. Blake.</p>
<p>Lott&#8211; there may have been some similarities in that some of the story was &#8220;off stage&#8221; without public sources.  And an asst US Atty effectively vouched for him, saying he was only a witness (I&#8217;ve never bought that).  </p>
<p>The bottom line may be the same about both.  Calvin Trillin noted that one of the sources of reporter&#8217;s facinations with trials is that witnesses don&#8217;t get to say &#8220;no comment.&#8221;  The subpoena power is kindred.</p>
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		<title>By: a friend of the law</title>
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		<dc:creator>a friend of the law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along those lines, I&#039;m still wondering why there has been no investigative reporting by any gutsy journalists out there about many of the potential peripheral issues raised during &quot;Scruggs I&quot;. There appears to me to be a lot of potential great stories about likely shenanigans during the tobacco litigation, as well as the asbestos litigation. No one in the media seems to be interested enough to really dig and investigate, even with such a potential target rich environment that includes big dogs of all political stripes. $$$ corruption has no party affiliation ----its a destination with an equal opportunity road. 

But, likely, such investigative reporting is lacking on the above topics for the same reason we will have NO real investigation (by Congress or the news media) of the recent financial crisis.   

And the same reason there was no real hard hitting investigation by the news media (or any govt. prosecution) of the past Global Crossing debacle (when it involved as much or more book cooking and crooked dealings than the Enron and Worldcom scandals, and was certainly just as big or bigger moneywise). 

Too many big dogs on both sides of the aisle involved in all of these matters. Whose goose is getting cooked seems to trump any &quot;ethics&quot; in journalism and news reporting these days. IF you can&#039;t get the &quot;right&quot; folks, then why bother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along those lines, I&#8217;m still wondering why there has been no investigative reporting by any gutsy journalists out there about many of the potential peripheral issues raised during &#8220;Scruggs I&#8221;. There appears to me to be a lot of potential great stories about likely shenanigans during the tobacco litigation, as well as the asbestos litigation. No one in the media seems to be interested enough to really dig and investigate, even with such a potential target rich environment that includes big dogs of all political stripes. $$$ corruption has no party affiliation &#8212;-its a destination with an equal opportunity road. </p>
<p>But, likely, such investigative reporting is lacking on the above topics for the same reason we will have NO real investigation (by Congress or the news media) of the recent financial crisis.   </p>
<p>And the same reason there was no real hard hitting investigation by the news media (or any govt. prosecution) of the past Global Crossing debacle (when it involved as much or more book cooking and crooked dealings than the Enron and Worldcom scandals, and was certainly just as big or bigger moneywise). </p>
<p>Too many big dogs on both sides of the aisle involved in all of these matters. Whose goose is getting cooked seems to trump any &#8220;ethics&#8221; in journalism and news reporting these days. IF you can&#8217;t get the &#8220;right&#8221; folks, then why bother.</p>
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