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		<title>By: NMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observation:  In the DeLaughter case it&#039;s likely they&#039;ll make a good strong argument that the bribe was $3 mil.  I can&#039;t imagine a deal being cut as sweet as the one in the case that was just resolved.  There is going to be a lot more time involved if that case ever comes up, and it will begin to look life-sentence-like.

hmmm.  I need to raise this point in a new post.  More later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observation:  In the DeLaughter case it&#8217;s likely they&#8217;ll make a good strong argument that the bribe was $3 mil.  I can&#8217;t imagine a deal being cut as sweet as the one in the case that was just resolved.  There is going to be a lot more time involved if that case ever comes up, and it will begin to look life-sentence-like.</p>
<p>hmmm.  I need to raise this point in a new post.  More later.</p>
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		<title>By: NMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to weigh in that I think the NY Times article is a good one, probably as good a job as they&#039;ve done in covering Scruggs, ever.  They have the factual details told right and well, and get the context of the sentencing, too.

The &quot;phenomenal lawyer&quot;  business I can&#039;t even really argue about.  I&#039;ve balked at people who call him a &quot;trial lawyer,&quot; or in terms of courtroom success and conventional notions of what a litigator does.  On the other hand, he really has spearheaded total-war approaches to tort litigation that greatly raised the stakes and dollars involved.  Even if the ideas he used weren&#039;t original to him, he made remarkable use of them.  You&#039;d have to view the level at which he succeeded as phenomenal.

But you also have to take into account a few things:  First, his acknowledgment as long ago as the interviews about the tobacco settlement that part of his methods involved working &quot;the dark side.&quot;  It seems clear to me that back as far as the asbestos era he made decisions to pursue his ends by fair means or foul.  Second, his choice of methods included things like massive public relations wars that, while not illegal, raise strong ethical and moral issues for me. 

I would say  his particular genius was more public relations-- he was brilliant at selling, or getting someone to sell, narratives that journalists would take to like ducks to water (and resell them in new contexts-- e.g. the repeat performances of the Insider theme).  The lawsuit-as-total-war idea he seemed to have often looks (if you review the dockets of cases his firm was litigating) like pointless flailing around to me.  I wonder if the approach ever worked for him outside a context where he had a judge giving him the advantage of home cooking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to weigh in that I think the NY Times article is a good one, probably as good a job as they&#8217;ve done in covering Scruggs, ever.  They have the factual details told right and well, and get the context of the sentencing, too.</p>
<p>The &#8220;phenomenal lawyer&#8221;  business I can&#8217;t even really argue about.  I&#8217;ve balked at people who call him a &#8220;trial lawyer,&#8221; or in terms of courtroom success and conventional notions of what a litigator does.  On the other hand, he really has spearheaded total-war approaches to tort litigation that greatly raised the stakes and dollars involved.  Even if the ideas he used weren&#8217;t original to him, he made remarkable use of them.  You&#8217;d have to view the level at which he succeeded as phenomenal.</p>
<p>But you also have to take into account a few things:  First, his acknowledgment as long ago as the interviews about the tobacco settlement that part of his methods involved working &#8220;the dark side.&#8221;  It seems clear to me that back as far as the asbestos era he made decisions to pursue his ends by fair means or foul.  Second, his choice of methods included things like massive public relations wars that, while not illegal, raise strong ethical and moral issues for me. </p>
<p>I would say  his particular genius was more public relations&#8211; he was brilliant at selling, or getting someone to sell, narratives that journalists would take to like ducks to water (and resell them in new contexts&#8211; e.g. the repeat performances of the Insider theme).  The lawsuit-as-total-war idea he seemed to have often looks (if you review the dockets of cases his firm was litigating) like pointless flailing around to me.  I wonder if the approach ever worked for him outside a context where he had a judge giving him the advantage of home cooking.</p>
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		<title>By: curious georgette</title>
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		<dc:creator>curious georgette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 05:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several years ago, I had a banking client that was ripped off by some officers and directors - - over $5 million dollars in fraudulent loans.  Some of those guys wound up in federal prison, and one went to Pensacola.  Based on what I have heard about their experiences, I don&#039;t think any jail is a country club.   You may not be in Angola, but jail is jail.  I don&#039;t think it is easy to be in jail anywhere, particularly if you are a person who formerly had some success in your professional life and you suddenly find yourself a prisoner.  That doesn&#039;t mean people shouldn&#039;t go to jail, but it does make me think that 2 1/2 and 5 years in this instance will be long, painful punishment for these people, particularly since some of them may have more jail time coming their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago, I had a banking client that was ripped off by some officers and directors &#8211; - over $5 million dollars in fraudulent loans.  Some of those guys wound up in federal prison, and one went to Pensacola.  Based on what I have heard about their experiences, I don&#8217;t think any jail is a country club.   You may not be in Angola, but jail is jail.  I don&#8217;t think it is easy to be in jail anywhere, particularly if you are a person who formerly had some success in your professional life and you suddenly find yourself a prisoner.  That doesn&#8217;t mean people shouldn&#8217;t go to jail, but it does make me think that 2 1/2 and 5 years in this instance will be long, painful punishment for these people, particularly since some of them may have more jail time coming their way.</p>
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		<title>By: mississippi gal not a lawyer tho</title>
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		<dc:creator>mississippi gal not a lawyer tho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 04:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the Federal  Pens, why especially are the Federal Pens the Country Clubs of jail time?
It is white collar crime, a Federal charge that will wind a person up in a real jail is only kid-napping, not money crimes?
My favourite person who ended up in Federal pen is the late Attorney General John Mitchell,
when he entered the Federal Pen at Maxwell Air Force Base he told the press &quot;it was great to be back in Alabama.&quot;
Are there only lawyers in southern Federal pens.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the Federal  Pens, why especially are the Federal Pens the Country Clubs of jail time?<br />
It is white collar crime, a Federal charge that will wind a person up in a real jail is only kid-napping, not money crimes?<br />
My favourite person who ended up in Federal pen is the late Attorney General John Mitchell,<br />
when he entered the Federal Pen at Maxwell Air Force Base he told the press &#8220;it was great to be back in Alabama.&#8221;<br />
Are there only lawyers in southern Federal pens.?</p>
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		<title>By: sadbuttrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadbuttrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dixie68@19 - could you explain exactly what you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dixie68@19 &#8211; could you explain exactly what you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Its All Good</title>
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		<dc:creator>Its All Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From The Penthouse To The Big House

David Novak did time as a white-collar crook at Eglin Federal Prison Camp (Pensacola, FL), aka Club Fed. Now he advises first-time felons on how to survive life on the inside. Hey, Ken and Jeff (and Bernie and Sam and Dennis), would you like his number? 

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/62/realitycheck.html?page=0%2C0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From The Penthouse To The Big House</p>
<p>David Novak did time as a white-collar crook at Eglin Federal Prison Camp (Pensacola, FL), aka Club Fed. Now he advises first-time felons on how to survive life on the inside. Hey, Ken and Jeff (and Bernie and Sam and Dennis), would you like his number? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/62/realitycheck.html?page=0%2C0" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/62/realitycheck.html?page=0%2C0</a></p>
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		<title>By: dixie68</title>
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		<dc:creator>dixie68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Dickie Scruggs as a white Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Dickie Scruggs as a white Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.</p>
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		<title>By: supergreg</title>
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		<dc:creator>supergreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boyer&#039;s full New Yorker article on Scruggs is available on the website.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/19/080519fa_fact_boyer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boyer&#8217;s full New Yorker article on Scruggs is available on the website.<br />
<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/19/080519fa_fact_boyer" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/19/080519fa_fact_boyer</a></p>
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		<title>By: MsNExile</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsNExile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nomiss @ 16.  

My reason for referring to a kangaroo court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nomiss @ 16.  </p>
<p>My reason for referring to a kangaroo court.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember from reading Michael Orey&#039;s  &quot;Assuming the Risk&quot;  that  the Jackson County Chancery Court  (without a jury)  played a very important role in the tobacco suit. Scruggs fought hard to keep the case there and without a jury.   From page 280: &quot;In subsequent years, tobacco company lawyers and PR representatives would gripe about Mike Moore and his &#039;handpicked&#039; judge in Pascagoula.&quot;  Could the wheels have been greased in the chancery court?

Orey notes that Chancellor Williams Myers got the case by default, and Myers was appointed to the court by Governor Fordice. I don&#039;t want to besmirch anyone&#039;s reputation by the above question, but that&#039;s what happens when a lawyer has a pattern of behavior as Scruggs did. One begins to question whether every successful case involved corruption. 

Orey notes on page 266 ( regarding the hiring of Pete Johnson to &quot;slip a minor word change into a bill&quot; that   &quot;authorized the attorney general to hire counsel for a contingent fee&quot; ) that  &quot;[e]ven though Johnson&#039;s stealthy maneuvering proved unnecessary, it indicates the lengths to which Scruggs was willing to go to pave the way for success.&quot;  Thus my question: could the wheels have been greased in the Jackson County Chancery Court?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember from reading Michael Orey&#8217;s  &#8220;Assuming the Risk&#8221;  that  the Jackson County Chancery Court  (without a jury)  played a very important role in the tobacco suit. Scruggs fought hard to keep the case there and without a jury.   From page 280: &#8220;In subsequent years, tobacco company lawyers and PR representatives would gripe about Mike Moore and his &#8216;handpicked&#8217; judge in Pascagoula.&#8221;  Could the wheels have been greased in the chancery court?</p>
<p>Orey notes that Chancellor Williams Myers got the case by default, and Myers was appointed to the court by Governor Fordice. I don&#8217;t want to besmirch anyone&#8217;s reputation by the above question, but that&#8217;s what happens when a lawyer has a pattern of behavior as Scruggs did. One begins to question whether every successful case involved corruption. </p>
<p>Orey notes on page 266 ( regarding the hiring of Pete Johnson to &#8220;slip a minor word change into a bill&#8221; that   &#8220;authorized the attorney general to hire counsel for a contingent fee&#8221; ) that  &#8220;[e]ven though Johnson&#8217;s stealthy maneuvering proved unnecessary, it indicates the lengths to which Scruggs was willing to go to pave the way for success.&#8221;  Thus my question: could the wheels have been greased in the Jackson County Chancery Court?</p>
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