Comments on: Thoughts on Scruggs’s quasi-entrapment argument

By: nowdoucit

nowdoucit — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:15:05 +0000

My comment at #118 was intended to focus on the level 4 discussions of criminal behavior relative to allegations of crimes in this case – and I continue to believe level 4 moral reasoning factors into the “circle jerk thinking” taking place in that regard.

As to our differing views with “shaves” he was correct when he wrote at #96 “Issues of "right and wrong " and "consequences of actions " are not being taught in a meaningful way”

Our differing opinion IMHO is because the theory I posted at at #65 relates to the development of one aspect of intelligence related to with implications for Magnolia #64 “Nowdoucit I have often wondered how one thinks like a criminal”

When we state Piaget’s and Erikson’s theories of intelligence do not say children should not be taught right from wrong, belle, I’m guessing those are not the theories “shaves” has in mind -although anyone trying to teach their children “right from wrong” will not be successful unless the theories of how children learn are considered.

By: bellesouth

bellesouth — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:14:19 +0000

That’s funny razor. You don’t teach your babies that. You try to see where they are coming from so you can act accordingly. Jeez.

By: bellesouth

bellesouth — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:09:58 +0000

Uh, do I have to go pull my book out? Really?

By: bellesouth

bellesouth — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:06:08 +0000

I had a revelation (because I love Kohlberg) that criminals are stuck in 1 & 2 (generalizing big time here) and doctors and lawyers reach up to 5 & 6 and the rest of us good ole folk are somewhere in between?

By: shaveswithaoccamsrazor

shaveswithaoccamsrazor — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:57:49 +0000

NDUC. #122 “…other highly regarded development THEORIST…” Once again, that was my point…it’s theoretical NOT practical and it sure doesn’t appear to work. You discounted my assertions and my inclusion of Piaget and Erickson so I’ll offer this for rebuttal and expect that you should be able to do likewise, if you are correct.

“Piaget’s Key Ideas”, “…Egocentrism The belief that you are the center of the universe and everything revolves around you: the corresponding inability to see the world as someone else does and adapt to it.” Now that’s a good idea for kids to beleive….don’t listen to your parents. YOU are the center of the Known Universe and YOU decide right from wrong for yourself.

In addtion, Erikson advocated for a “new education of children” based on self-knowledge and a complex world view that scorned “immediate diagnoses of health or sickness, judgments of goodness or badness, or advice on `how to.

If that’s “definitely” supporting instuction on “right from wrong” I’ll be damned if I get that out of a simple reading of the plain language used.

I submit that my original post was accurate, complete and in no need of amendment or further explanation.

By: nowdoucit

nowdoucit — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:50:05 +0000

I came back from my “break” and made comment #118 – pick up from there and see if that helps.

By: bellesouth

bellesouth — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:33:29 +0000

I gots me a little break there, what’s going on >>>>
“My children” were 8 years old when I met them, took parenting lessons, went to therapists (their mother left the country when they in the 3rd grade), having studied child psychology, it was the hardest job ever, esp. when the dad felt guilty because of it (catholic). They’re in college, now and the most beautiful despite all my hard work. I am not taking credit for everything they had a lot going for them before I met them!

By: nowdoucit

nowdoucit — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:25:56 +0000

Magnolia, you spoke a greater truth than you can imagine. Parenting is the hardest job anyone can ever have – and there would be a lot fewer children if we could remember that when we having so much fun making one.

I did think there was some sort of semi-retirement plan that started kicking in after college – was I ever wrong about that.

By: Magnolia

Magnolia — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:15:09 +0000

Niwducit thanks, “The first 40 years of parenthood are always the hardest”

By: nowdoucit

nowdoucit — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:10:35 +0000

I can’t speak for belle, tiredlwyr, but I think John Rosemond reflects the application of Erikson and other highly regarded developmental theorist – a group that does not include all of those “shaves” listed.

btw – “simple, direct, and very consistent” is the hallmark of the application of the work of the highly regarded theorist.

If it could be bottled and sold, I would have beat you to it – and believe me I’ve given the “product” a lot of thought. : )

You have a very lucky little girl – and she’ll “inherit” something worth more than Dickie’s money from your “simple, direct, and consistent” parenting.