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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s on for tomorrow in State Farm v. Hood (by NMC)</title>
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		<title>By: magnolia</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/02/05/whats-on-for-tomorrow-in-state-farm-v-hood-by-nmc/#comment-5521</link>
		<dc:creator>magnolia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we Mississippian&#039;s believe SF has done what is being alledged..HELL YES..They are an insurance company..It&#039;s what they do...Having the same policy with Allstate for 30 years and then needing them , We went around the world ..but had George Dale and Jim Hood been beyond reproach we would not be here today. It appeared to me Harrell was telling what happened..and we know this is what Scruggs does, Dale was just not a Judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we Mississippian&#8217;s believe SF has done what is being alledged..HELL YES..They are an insurance company..It&#8217;s what they do&#8230;Having the same policy with Allstate for 30 years and then needing them , We went around the world ..but had George Dale and Jim Hood been beyond reproach we would not be here today. It appeared to me Harrell was telling what happened..and we know this is what Scruggs does, Dale was just not a Judge.</p>
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		<title>By: nmisscommenter</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/02/05/whats-on-for-tomorrow-in-state-farm-v-hood-by-nmc/#comment-5520</link>
		<dc:creator>nmisscommenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some facts about the Harrell deposition:  According to the docket the McIntosh case, it happened twice, once in July and once at the end of October.  It&#039;s the last one that SF is using heavily.  State Farm &quot;recalled&quot; the deposition, and Zach Scruggs objected that they&#039;d already had a chance to ask their questions on round 1.

In cross-examining Zach makes it seem that Harrell is operating off a vaguely recalled conversation and creates a strong implication that there is something really wrong with the timing of when Harrell remembers it.  It becomes clear that something came out in conversations between SF&#039;s lawyer Tucker of Butler Snow and Harrell over the &quot;Market Performance Study&quot; that made SF want to do the deposition.

But the dep SF is using occurred after they&#039;d sued Hood, so they didn&#039;t exactly base the suit on the deposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some facts about the Harrell deposition:  According to the docket the McIntosh case, it happened twice, once in July and once at the end of October.  It&#8217;s the last one that SF is using heavily.  State Farm &#8220;recalled&#8221; the deposition, and Zach Scruggs objected that they&#8217;d already had a chance to ask their questions on round 1.</p>
<p>In cross-examining Zach makes it seem that Harrell is operating off a vaguely recalled conversation and creates a strong implication that there is something really wrong with the timing of when Harrell remembers it.  It becomes clear that something came out in conversations between SF&#8217;s lawyer Tucker of Butler Snow and Harrell over the &#8220;Market Performance Study&#8221; that made SF want to do the deposition.</p>
<p>But the dep SF is using occurred after they&#8217;d sued Hood, so they didn&#8217;t exactly base the suit on the deposition.</p>
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		<title>By: silas</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/02/05/whats-on-for-tomorrow-in-state-farm-v-hood-by-nmc/#comment-5519</link>
		<dc:creator>silas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expat, you&#039;re right on regarding the Harrell deposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expat, you&#8217;re right on regarding the Harrell deposition.</p>
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		<title>By: mississippiexpat</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/02/05/whats-on-for-tomorrow-in-state-farm-v-hood-by-nmc/#comment-5523</link>
		<dc:creator>mississippiexpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>State Farm v Hood is based in large part on David Lee Harrell&#039;s November depo.  Harrell was first deposed in McIntosh back in June when he was represented by the attorneys who were being paid by State Farm. At that time he did not mention anything about the conspiracy or coercion, even though the alledged acts had occured long before the depo.

Suddenly in November, his lawyers (this time led by Skip Jernigan who also has represented insurance companies), calls another Harrell depo where all this comes out. Read the full depo, including Zack Scruggs cross and Harrell&#039;s story seems to fall apart. Harrell is smooth as silk in his answers to Skip&#039;s questions, but seems to lose his memory when questioned by Scruggs.

In both depos, Harrell hid behind the Market Conduct study of State Farm as a reason to not answer questions.  I&#039;ve asked this before, but does anyone know what happened to this study? As a non-lawyer, I think this at least could have some major PR impact on this issue.

It seems SF is putting on the full court (no pun intended) press to divert attention from their bad faith tactics of delay, deceit and denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>State Farm v Hood is based in large part on David Lee Harrell&#8217;s November depo.  Harrell was first deposed in McIntosh back in June when he was represented by the attorneys who were being paid by State Farm. At that time he did not mention anything about the conspiracy or coercion, even though the alledged acts had occured long before the depo.</p>
<p>Suddenly in November, his lawyers (this time led by Skip Jernigan who also has represented insurance companies), calls another Harrell depo where all this comes out. Read the full depo, including Zack Scruggs cross and Harrell&#8217;s story seems to fall apart. Harrell is smooth as silk in his answers to Skip&#8217;s questions, but seems to lose his memory when questioned by Scruggs.</p>
<p>In both depos, Harrell hid behind the Market Conduct study of State Farm as a reason to not answer questions.  I&#8217;ve asked this before, but does anyone know what happened to this study? As a non-lawyer, I think this at least could have some major PR impact on this issue.</p>
<p>It seems SF is putting on the full court (no pun intended) press to divert attention from their bad faith tactics of delay, deceit and denial.</p>
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		<title>By: silas</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/02/05/whats-on-for-tomorrow-in-state-farm-v-hood-by-nmc/#comment-5533</link>
		<dc:creator>silas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Full of Questions, do you understand that in class action cases, including the one at issue, people can fill out a piece of paper and opt out of the class and pursue their own case, with their own lawyer, and the lawyer gets paid whatever fee he or she can earn?  There is not even a possibility of dive bombing anybody.  That is a fundamental part of a class action, and was part of the one proposed.

We&#039;re talking past each other on the &quot;administer the class&quot; issue.  Yes, lawyers want to be paid millions in fees, but they don&#039;t want to have to earn the money by the misery of actually administering any settlement relief.  That&#039;s why I say Lee Harrell&#039;s testimony, or at least his wording, is off kilter.

This is my last comment on this bc it&#039;s boring and academic because the class never happened, but I will say this:  no matter what NMC and Full of Questions and others say, I believe they are missing the significance of even having State Farm at the table discussing a global resolution, and Judge Senter missed the significance of it, too. It will never, ever in anybody&#039;s wildest dreams happen again, and while they were at the table, measures should have been taken to make the deal work (if I could bold that statement and write two lines under it, I would.)   What should not have happened is exactly what happened...out-of-hand rejection without trying to improve it and make the thing work, then having a final approval of the settlement.  A judge can act as a sculptor with class settlements and mold the two sides to get things right.  I say this without trying to be argumentative, but for anyone who understands Rule 23 and the class mechanism (muddled and abused and screwed up as it may be) reading Judge Senter&#039;s ruling rejecting that class out of hand was reading the ruling of a very smart judge who has not ever dealt much with class actions.

And now I truly will stop talking about this, because it&#039;s an issue without any real meat on the bones.  I simply think Senter missed an opportunity to take a settlement that was not good enough and make it good enough with the  bully pulpit he holds.  For instance, he could have cut the lawyer&#039;s fees in half (or down to a third of that proposed), made State Farm guarantee more money to the class, and made the opt-out provision more clear to unrepresented policyholders.  If Senter had not rejected the class about a week after it was proposed, all of that could have happened, and would undoubtedly have been good for a lot of policyholders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full of Questions, do you understand that in class action cases, including the one at issue, people can fill out a piece of paper and opt out of the class and pursue their own case, with their own lawyer, and the lawyer gets paid whatever fee he or she can earn?  There is not even a possibility of dive bombing anybody.  That is a fundamental part of a class action, and was part of the one proposed.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking past each other on the &#8220;administer the class&#8221; issue.  Yes, lawyers want to be paid millions in fees, but they don&#8217;t want to have to earn the money by the misery of actually administering any settlement relief.  That&#8217;s why I say Lee Harrell&#8217;s testimony, or at least his wording, is off kilter.</p>
<p>This is my last comment on this bc it&#8217;s boring and academic because the class never happened, but I will say this:  no matter what NMC and Full of Questions and others say, I believe they are missing the significance of even having State Farm at the table discussing a global resolution, and Judge Senter missed the significance of it, too. It will never, ever in anybody&#8217;s wildest dreams happen again, and while they were at the table, measures should have been taken to make the deal work (if I could bold that statement and write two lines under it, I would.)   What should not have happened is exactly what happened&#8230;out-of-hand rejection without trying to improve it and make the thing work, then having a final approval of the settlement.  A judge can act as a sculptor with class settlements and mold the two sides to get things right.  I say this without trying to be argumentative, but for anyone who understands Rule 23 and the class mechanism (muddled and abused and screwed up as it may be) reading Judge Senter&#8217;s ruling rejecting that class out of hand was reading the ruling of a very smart judge who has not ever dealt much with class actions.</p>
<p>And now I truly will stop talking about this, because it&#8217;s an issue without any real meat on the bones.  I simply think Senter missed an opportunity to take a settlement that was not good enough and make it good enough with the  bully pulpit he holds.  For instance, he could have cut the lawyer&#8217;s fees in half (or down to a third of that proposed), made State Farm guarantee more money to the class, and made the opt-out provision more clear to unrepresented policyholders.  If Senter had not rejected the class about a week after it was proposed, all of that could have happened, and would undoubtedly have been good for a lot of policyholders.</p>
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		<title>By: full of questions</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/02/05/whats-on-for-tomorrow-in-state-farm-v-hood-by-nmc/#comment-5531</link>
		<dc:creator>full of questions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the hearing on the proposed class. Yes, Scruggs wanted to administer the class, be paid millions in attorney fees and decide what, if anything, other lawyers for non-Scruggs policyholders would be paid. Mike Moore made a passionate argument in that hearing on behalf of Scruggs. This was, perhaps, the beginning of the end and many lawyers on the coast thought Dick was trying to dive bomb any cases anyone else had. Already most other settlments reached by other lawyers for policyholders with Allstate, State Farm etc., are on much better terms for the clients than the Scruggs settlements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the hearing on the proposed class. Yes, Scruggs wanted to administer the class, be paid millions in attorney fees and decide what, if anything, other lawyers for non-Scruggs policyholders would be paid. Mike Moore made a passionate argument in that hearing on behalf of Scruggs. This was, perhaps, the beginning of the end and many lawyers on the coast thought Dick was trying to dive bomb any cases anyone else had. Already most other settlments reached by other lawyers for policyholders with Allstate, State Farm etc., are on much better terms for the clients than the Scruggs settlements.</p>
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		<title>By: full of questions</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/02/05/whats-on-for-tomorrow-in-state-farm-v-hood-by-nmc/#comment-5530</link>
		<dc:creator>full of questions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So State Farm wants to say Hood was coercing them? What do they call it when someone offers money to a state official (this case to his major benefactor who turns around and gives it to him in the form of contributions) in order to persuade him not to do his job? They were bribing Hood! plain and simple! I find it incredible that they would go to  court and make this argument! They are indicting themselves!!


BTW, the lawyer who represented State Farm in front of Senter on the Class Action settlment request formerly represented Scruggs himself! Bill Reed of Baker Donelson represented Scruggs in the past in suits against Scruggs by a former partner and possibly on issues with regard to tobacco payments and setting up the corporation that  bought the tobacco receivables from Scruggs and his partners and got them paid millions. Who are the principles of that corporation? Scruggs and the other tobacco lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So State Farm wants to say Hood was coercing them? What do they call it when someone offers money to a state official (this case to his major benefactor who turns around and gives it to him in the form of contributions) in order to persuade him not to do his job? They were bribing Hood! plain and simple! I find it incredible that they would go to  court and make this argument! They are indicting themselves!!</p>
<p>BTW, the lawyer who represented State Farm in front of Senter on the Class Action settlment request formerly represented Scruggs himself! Bill Reed of Baker Donelson represented Scruggs in the past in suits against Scruggs by a former partner and possibly on issues with regard to tobacco payments and setting up the corporation that  bought the tobacco receivables from Scruggs and his partners and got them paid millions. Who are the principles of that corporation? Scruggs and the other tobacco lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: nmisscommenter</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/02/05/whats-on-for-tomorrow-in-state-farm-v-hood-by-nmc/#comment-5529</link>
		<dc:creator>nmisscommenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silas, you may know more about the $500,000,000 fund than I do.  However, I&#039;ve read Senter&#039;s opinion and the pleadings at and around the time the settlement blew up, because of an interest in what happened.  I think Senter&#039;s problem with the settlement were reasonable and real.

It may have been a preliminary stage-- and there is a way it all spun out of control after Senter stated his problems with it. A lot of outside forces (the fact that the settlement did not resolve the Renfroe suit problem for one) were creating pressures that made that settlement implode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silas, you may know more about the $500,000,000 fund than I do.  However, I&#8217;ve read Senter&#8217;s opinion and the pleadings at and around the time the settlement blew up, because of an interest in what happened.  I think Senter&#8217;s problem with the settlement were reasonable and real.</p>
<p>It may have been a preliminary stage&#8211; and there is a way it all spun out of control after Senter stated his problems with it. A lot of outside forces (the fact that the settlement did not resolve the Renfroe suit problem for one) were creating pressures that made that settlement implode.</p>
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		<title>By: silas</title>
		<link>http://www.folo.us/2008/02/05/whats-on-for-tomorrow-in-state-farm-v-hood-by-nmc/#comment-5528</link>
		<dc:creator>silas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to address the point about Scruggs wanting to administer the $500,000,000.00 fund from State Farm.  The reason I think Lee Harrell is putting his own somewhat inaccurate spin on that is that no mass tort lawyers want to have anything to do with &quot;administering&quot; any settlement.  Mass tort lawyers like Scruggs generally hire other companies to deal with the details of administering settlement relief.  Also, how exactly would that have worked in the real world?  Was Scruggs proposing that State Farm simply put that amount of money in the bank after George Dale told them to, and then let Scruggs decide how it was paid?  None of that rings true to me.  From the context of that time, what most likely happened was that Scruggs was asking Dale for support in the litigation and told Dale it could involve a class that would be paid possibly $500,000,000.00.  Then Lee Harrell had a good chance to torpedo Scruggs in that Halloween deposition, and did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to address the point about Scruggs wanting to administer the $500,000,000.00 fund from State Farm.  The reason I think Lee Harrell is putting his own somewhat inaccurate spin on that is that no mass tort lawyers want to have anything to do with &#8220;administering&#8221; any settlement.  Mass tort lawyers like Scruggs generally hire other companies to deal with the details of administering settlement relief.  Also, how exactly would that have worked in the real world?  Was Scruggs proposing that State Farm simply put that amount of money in the bank after George Dale told them to, and then let Scruggs decide how it was paid?  None of that rings true to me.  From the context of that time, what most likely happened was that Scruggs was asking Dale for support in the litigation and told Dale it could involve a class that would be paid possibly $500,000,000.00.  Then Lee Harrell had a good chance to torpedo Scruggs in that Halloween deposition, and did.</p>
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		<title>By: silas</title>
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		<dc:creator>silas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The correct thing to have done, in my opinion, would have been to keep the class settlement process going and press the sides to make the terms more favorable.  I think you are mixing preliminary approval and final approval.  Sender was never asked to finally approve the settlement.  If he had agreed to a preliminary approval, there would have been several hearings and a lot of opportunity to improve things.  For instance, part of Senter&#039;s order denying preliminary approval said that numerosity of the class had not been proven.  Well, it hadn&#039;t been proven because there was no process by which any proof could be offered since the whole thing was rejected shortly after being proposed.

As to the fees, your comment sounds more like rhetoric than a serious objection.  The proposed settlement had an amount that SF was required to pay to policyholders.  I have forgotten the number, but it was north of 60 million I think.  It was very likely they would have paid substantially more to policyholders.  And of course they could have opted out.  And the class members would have been restricted to people who had not filed suit.  So it wasn&#039;t a horrible proposal.  It needed work, but it should not have been dismissed in a way that guaranteed the result we now have...no resolution in sight for policyholders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The correct thing to have done, in my opinion, would have been to keep the class settlement process going and press the sides to make the terms more favorable.  I think you are mixing preliminary approval and final approval.  Sender was never asked to finally approve the settlement.  If he had agreed to a preliminary approval, there would have been several hearings and a lot of opportunity to improve things.  For instance, part of Senter&#8217;s order denying preliminary approval said that numerosity of the class had not been proven.  Well, it hadn&#8217;t been proven because there was no process by which any proof could be offered since the whole thing was rejected shortly after being proposed.</p>
<p>As to the fees, your comment sounds more like rhetoric than a serious objection.  The proposed settlement had an amount that SF was required to pay to policyholders.  I have forgotten the number, but it was north of 60 million I think.  It was very likely they would have paid substantially more to policyholders.  And of course they could have opted out.  And the class members would have been restricted to people who had not filed suit.  So it wasn&#8217;t a horrible proposal.  It needed work, but it should not have been dismissed in a way that guaranteed the result we now have&#8230;no resolution in sight for policyholders.</p>
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